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Apple iPhone Abuse Detection Sensors: Who Is Abusing Whom?

By Michael Klurfeld on September 18, 2009

iPhone 3G water sensor top

(Credit: Apple)

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iPhone 3G water sensor bottom

(Credit: Apple)

Most cell phones have water detection sensors on the inside that change color from white to red in the presence of water. So why does Apple place two additional sensors on the outside of the iPhone?

In addition to the two industry-standard internal moisture detectors, Apple puts on the exterior what they call “built in Liquid Submersion Indicators that will show… whether liquid has entered the device.” Apple places one sensor in the iPhone headphone jack and one adjacent to the dock connector (pictured). But according to a number of reports from news organizations and consumers, these sensors have been known to give false positives. Many have posited that the indicators are set off by sweat, which one would think should not happen in normal use.

According to an Apple Inc. representative speaking on behalf of its general counsel’s office, Apple’s protocol when responding to a customer whose iPhone has a triggered external liquid indicator is to say that the warranty is now void and to turn the customer away. The warranty states that it does not apply “to damage caused by… liquid spill or submersion,” (from Apple’s Warranty (pdf)) yet, again according to this representative, “Apple’s standard protocol” is to not open iPhones and investigate for real signs of liquid damage, such as water damage to the motherboard or corrosion.

In my experience the only way to get Apple to check for water damage is to contact someone high up in the company who will then instruct Apple’s in-store technicians to open up the phone. When I went to the store to have this done, the tech reported that he had found no signs of water damage, and the two internal moisture detectors had not been triggered – he even showed me a picture corroborating this. Unfortunately, however, it is Apple’s policy that customers are not allowed to have copies of their picture, to be present while the device is opened, or to take their own pictures of the opened iPhone.

Interestingly, Apple recently filed for a patent which which would, among other things, record “a liquid ingress event” along with a time stamp. This seems to be an admission on Apple’s part that the current liquid detection system is very much flawed. After all, the liquid indicators very well could have been triggered prior to purchase. Apple in no way warns the customer to check the sensors, nor do they warn customers of the external sensors’ existence and sensitivity and the implications for loss of warranty coverage.

In its patent application, Apple states

often, particularly at a point of sale, personnel receiving the returned device may be unqualified or untrained to determine whether or not a device has failed due to manufacturing defects or due to consumer abuse.

It seems that Apple is using the external liquid detection sensors as a way to avoid having properly trained and qualified technicians check returned devices for actual damage.

Apple complains to the patent office that

as a result, it is not uncommon for consumers to receive replacement products or repair services on abused products not covered under the terms of a warranty. Such erroneous replacements or repairs may be costly to the vendor and/or manufacturer of the product.

While device manufacturers should not have to make good on fraudulent warranty claims, they very much should and are legally required to honor legitimate warranty claims. Yet it is Apple’s unbending position that one triggered external liquid sensor meets the criterion for “submersion.” How can Apple say this with a straight face?

Disclosure: This article includes my personal experiences dealing with Apple about an iPhone with one triggered external liquid indicator and my personal conversations with Apple representatives.

Further Reading

Sweaty Workouts Killing iPhones?

Apple Discounts Replacements For Waterlogged iPhones

Sweat Can Damage Apple iPhones” (Video)

Apple iPhone 3G dies when exposed to Belgian water test

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  1. The crying from MS fanboys on Apple articles are A LOT more abundant and childish.

    This comment was originally posted on Digg

  2. Explain ehaugan. im thinking about switching to the Hero from the iphone

    This comment was originally posted on Digg

  3. I have to agree it depends on who it is checking your phone. I have had them check mine every time but i have had a shattered screen before paid 125 bucks for repair… came back 2 weeks later with the shattered screen and they guy was nice and gave me refurbished phone.

    This comment was originally posted on Digg

  4. I used to work for a private company that fixed iPods for Best Buy’s warranty system. If you buy the extended warranty from Best Buy in America (Canada checks) even if you obviously fucked up your iPod on purpose they’ll still give you a good one. We used to get in iPods all the time that had pennies taped to the back and the HDD stolen and we weren’t allowed to do a thing about it.So basically what I’m saying is even the suckiest companies manage to have better warranties than Apple. They won’t take back an iPod with a bad drive, either, and on a lot of the Gen4s and classics that was a huge problem.Mechanical drives in a hand held device. Thanks a lot for your radical ideas, Jobs.

    This comment was originally posted on Digg

  5. wow brilliant idea. i should do this. did you do it and you can’t even tell?

    This comment was originally posted on Digg

  6. I love bleach

    This comment was originally posted on Digg

  7. If you look on the internet you can replace the headphone jack post warranty without too much hassle. It just takes some time to open them the first time.

    This comment was originally posted on Digg

  8. I’ve tried doing the one drop of water to set it off. It doesn’t. I’ve poured water on the phone. That didn’t set it off either. I put it in a cup of water. That did set it off.

    This comment was originally posted on Digg

  9. What’s weird about it too is that car companies aren’t allowed to void your entire warranty for something that you affected in another area of the car. How is this not fraud? If your water sensor goes off in the headphone jack but your home button stops working they won’t replace your phone.

    This comment was originally posted on Digg

  10. Well actually, water damage is what usually kills the headphone jack, and same for the USB port. 90% of the Apple stuff I opened had some sort of water at one of the ports. It doesn’t always break any part of the phone, sometimes the connector could be just covered in white and work as good as new. Until you clean it. So yeah, it kind of does make sense to have detectors there. But if sweat will trigger them either they’re WAY too sensitive, or whoever is using the product is way too fat.

    This comment was originally posted on Digg

  11. Google fanboys

    This comment was originally posted on Digg

  12. For those being denied warranty service:-quick fixhttps://www.totalofficesupplies.co.uk/catalog/imag …-better fixhttp://shop.ebay.com/i.html?_kw=water&_kw=indi …

    This comment was originally posted on Digg

  13. I just noticed mine has a red spot on the lower part, but it has never been near water. I did put the bestskinsever protection and that requires to spray a solution to it… that might have triggered it.

    This comment was originally posted on Digg

  14. Do either of you have any proof to back up what you’re saying? What proof do you have that the sensors that Apple uses are any more sensitive than any other manufacturer? What proof is there that humidity can’t get affect an internal sensor just as easily as Apple’s so-called external sensors. (If a sensor at the bottom of the headphone jack is external to you guys, I’d love to hear your definition of intercourse!)

    This comment was originally posted on Digg

  15. I am an apple technician, and it honestly just depends on if you catch us on a good day or not, and if you are an asshole or not. The way apple works is it is up to the tech to decide if something is caused by water damage or not, and them we put in a request on a page to have the part (or parts) replaced. If we find proof of "abuse" (water damage, physical damage), we are supposed to charge you for the part, however if it is obvious to me the "abuse" is not causing the problem, I will replace the part under warranty with no questions asked.

    This comment was originally posted on Digg

  16. So the inside of the headphone jack is "external"? The innermost part of the dock connector is "external" also? Bullshit. It’s the farthest away from the outside of the device Apple could have placed the sensors to avoid opening the device to check them.

    This comment was originally posted on Digg

  17. HTC Magic, right here.

    This comment was originally posted on Digg

  18. @Animan351:http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/7132/jackass.pn …

    This comment was originally posted on Digg

  19. I brought mine in for another reason and they checked my indicator and it was red and I was told that I no longer had a warranty. Since I baby my phone and have NEVER gotten it wet, I protested.Many threats later, my phone was replaced. The explanation I got from the tech was that the exercise armband (that apple sells in its own store) is prone to causing moisture to build up and turn the sensor red.

    This comment was originally posted on Digg

  20. @Animan351:http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/1996/jackasss.png

    This comment was originally posted on Digg

  21. Better than: Rich privileged bastard who buys Apple products for false sense of superiority still not satisfied so goes on Digg to bash people with real problems being screwed by rich bastard pop-tech company.

    This comment was originally posted on Digg

  22. Might be their claims of superiority and infallibility, or rather the claims of their suck ass fanboys.

    This comment was originally posted on Digg

  23. I don’t think using whiteout is a good idea… but the stickers from ebay are win

    This comment was originally posted on Digg

  24. Yes, it’s pretty darn external. We’re talking about water here, not fingers. And there are two of them. Oh, and if they’d made their device easy to open, people could do things like checking their submersion sensors, or hell, even just replacing the battery once it wears out. But, no, that might make it look ugly, and detract from the "user experience".

    This comment was originally posted on Digg

  25. That’s half the problem… why couldn’t they have designed a phone where taking the back off doesn’t require special tools? Then people could do awesome things, like replacing their own batteries.

    This comment was originally posted on Digg

  26. sjps, that would be a good example of one, if it actually happened. trust me I’m an iphone product specialist who honestly hates the damn iphone and everything apple, I just draw a paycheck and still take any chance I can to bash the iphone, at least legitimately, I can’t in this case.

    This comment was originally posted on Digg

  27. Water. Exactly. A substance which does not belong inside the headphone jack or the dock connector!Two of them? What were they thinking! They should have used only one since there’s no way that only one end of the device could get immersed in liquid.I guess I should get pissed because my HTC 8525 has multiple water sensors, right? Or should I only get mad at Apple for doing the *same thing every cell phone manufacturer does*?Don’t like the non-replaceable battery? Don’t buy the phone!

    This comment was originally posted on Digg

  28. Ooh, somebody call the burn unit.You’re such a douche that it’s actually laughable. What parts did your repair on PMP’s? Batteries? Drives? Holy shit, call NASA. I bet you also have had several girlfriends from the Niagara Falls area… For the record I did RTFA, I actually own an iPhone, and had one replaced under warranty. The experience was quick and painless. Oh yeah, and it was 2 weeks past the warranty’s expiration date. I would imagine that YOU would know if your iPod was water-damaged or not, and take appropriate action if a tech told you something you know to be false.Did you ever think for a second (look who I’m talking to here.. ) that the sensors are located in areas that are easily seen as it’s kinda difficult to take an iPhone / iPod Touch apart? And before you go off on some kind of tangent about how you used your superpowers to ‘figure out what’s broke inside’, I have actually taken apart an iPhone, repaired a damaged switch and successfully reassembled it, it’s a fairly time-consuming process.I like Apple stuff, and don’t consider myself to be a fanboy, but I do grow ever tired of dipshits such as yourself directing ad-hominem attacks toward people because the like to use (or in your case even work for) a certain company’s products. Trying to come of as some kind of hardware genius because you found something cheaper that works for you.I guess what I’m really trying to say is: DIAF you snobby douche-nozzle.

    This comment was originally posted on Digg

  29. What’s My Jobs?

    This comment was originally posted on Digg

  30. Maybe they should have a warning:

    “Individuals with hyperhydrosis should not use this phone.”

  31. [...] of water. So why does Apple place two additional sensors on the outside of the iPhone?Source:http://techgeist.net/2009/09/apple-iphone-abuse-detection-sensors-abusing-2/ Leave a comment Powered by LiveJournal.comAdvertisement Customize if [...]

  32. Once again you say the exact same thing which every other cell phone manufacturer does, but that’s just flat out wrong. That’s kind of the point of the article.

    This comment was originally posted on Digg

  33. You know how the iPhone case tends to crack in the back? Mine did. I took it in and they said it wasn’t covered because the LSIs were tripped. I had a fit stating water had nothing to do with the case cracking. And mind you, the phone worked just fine, just this crack kept growing. They still turned me away. I had to get in touch with Executive Relations though. They eventually agreed that water had nothing to do with my defect and replaced the phone.

  34. Oh you are welcome to switch to whatever you like. I had a G1 back in December in hopes of keeping away from the iPhone. I found my G1 to be slow, felt very clunky, battery was terrible and Android sucked. I’m hoping the Hero brings a lot of changes but so far, I’m loving my iPhone.

    This comment was originally posted on Digg

  35. Apple is currently screwing me on this. My phone was working fine except for it wouldn’t hold a charge for longer than a couple of hours. Apple agreed the battery was defective and sent me an advanced replacement and I returned the defective unit. A week latter I get an email demanding I pay $199 because my old phone was “submerged”.

    My phone has never even been close to water. I am currently fighting the issue. In my conversations with support managers they have even admitted to the probability of false positives yet I have not resolved the issue.

  36. I am going to have HTC hero android phone on Oct 12. Waiting for that day. Was thinking of changing from sprint to AT&T. But I will buy hero instead.

    This comment was originally posted on Digg

  37. LOL.Go track those comments down and look at the times when they were posted. He switched the order of them.I tracked down one of his comments after he went gramar nazi dickhead on me.If you bothered to put the times of those responses in you would see that the bottom response was first and then I made that top comment on one of his posts, but since this is the internet it looks like he switched that in this little png here so it would look like I was a hypocrite. I just pointed out to him he’s not perfect either and now he’s crying about it some more.

    This comment was originally posted on Digg

  38. Twelve iPhones?!?!? Really?? Are you rich, or seriously in debt?!? My original iPhone is still going strong after almost two and a half years.Scratches deem replacement?

    This comment was originally posted on Digg

  39. no the genius bar is pretty lenient. you can pretty much tell them anything and theyll swap your phone out for you.

    This comment was originally posted on Digg

  40. The order doesn’t matter, actually. You still call one person an asshole for being a grammar Nazi, when you do the exact same thing, thus making you a hypocrite.And it wasn’t even me that you were talking to in either of those posts, either.Just admit it. You’re an asshole. Judging by your comments history (almost all of which are dugg down repeatedly; you only have a very small handful that were ever dugg up), there really is no debating that you are, in fact, a tool.People like you are the cancer that is killing Digg.

    This comment was originally posted on Digg

  41. …"the liquid indicator strips were red and that I was shit out of luck, DESPITE THE FACT that the phone had a hardware failure." The phrase "despite the fact", means that you’re implying that the hardware failure couldn’t have been caused by exposure to liquids.An example sentence using the phrase correctly would be:The liquid indicator strips were red and I was shit out of luck despite the fact that my iphone failed due to a software issue.In this case, the failure in question could not have been caused by liquid exposure since an exposure to liquids would cause a hardware failure.In your case, the hardware failure COULD have been caused by exposure to liquids. I’m not saying it was, just that it could have been.Oh, but this is DIGG so bash away and continue the ignorance.

    This comment was originally posted on Digg

  42. Yet another article fear mongering about Apple. The sensor has 2 color indicators pink and red. Pink indicated exposer to moister like sweat and red is submersion. The geniuses can tell the difference. Also, you need to be sweating a friggen river for it to get in the device. Unless you are rubbing it on your body sweat will not cause a problem that Apple wont fix.

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